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05:14 PM on 05/24/11
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Label StatementIn light of the recent controversy regarding the artwork for Living With Lions' album, "Holy Shit", the band and label have voluntarily agreed to return the loan of $13,248.00 in its entirety, which was offered in support of this record. The product will be withdrawn from the domestic market immediately, and we requested our international partners to withdraw product internationally as well. We understand the band’s desire to maintain their creative integrity. Therefore the album will be re-released as a non-FACTOR supported project in the coming weeks.

The material was not intended to be offensive, though we regret it was interpreted that way. Further, we regret the negative attention that this matter has brought to FACTOR. FACTOR is an integral part of supporting and sustaining Canadian music domestically and internationally, and their support of our work and that of other Canadian musicians is invaluable.

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Band StatementThe content of our artwork for our new recording was created out of our passion for satire and absurdist humor. The lyrical and musical content of this record does not contain any commentary on religion, nor does it use a pejorative or malicious voice against any particular group of people (excluding possibly some of our ex-girlfriends).

When the idea came up to simply alter the artwork for HOLY SHIT without having to expedite the repayment to FACTOR (The Foundation Assisting Canadian Talent on Recordings), we chose to entirely return the money so that HOLY SHIT can forever remain true to the original format.

The debate about government funding contributing to potentially controversial art is neither new nor truly resolved; but when the offended public complains, the politicians habitually remind groups like FACTOR, the NEA and the Arts Council that they can pull the plug rather than encourage discourse or scholarly debate.

We would like to thank our fans, friends and family for their continued support. We'd especially like to thank some of our newer fans in the media whose stance(s) on free speech has been really influential:

"Only a fool would think that censoring and gagging someone is equivalent of changing their mind." - Ezra Levant

"I'm a mad believer in free speech and standing up to those who want to stifle free speech and impose standards of expectations." - James Moore
05:20 PM on 05/24/11
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It's good that they're taking the high road. But I don't think this should have been that big of an issue in the first place. Maybe that's just me though.
05:38 PM on 05/24/11
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Agreed.

People get there knickers in a knot to easily.

Yeah, I think it's kind of silly a member of the Canadian government is taking this whole thing so seriously. Especially when there's a million other things he could be worrying about.

Were people up in arms about Green Day's last release title? Or what is the big deal?

It's not over the title as much as it's over the artwork and because it was funded by FACTOR. Read this previous thread for some background info.
05:45 PM on 05/24/11
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Is Factor owned by the government? Nice censorship. Heh, this seems so stupid to me.

It is stupid, haha.

No, but the government gives it money. It's a private non-profit organization that stands for Assisting Canadian Talent on Recordings.
08:52 PM on 05/24/11
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I added the band's statement into the first post if anyone cares.
11:32 PM on 05/24/11
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Haha I'm not sure what your point is...duh he is offended since he can relate.

"I quoted his religion because for the most part, it's only Christians who find this offensive and are taking it personally."
haha...and you are surprised by that? Who else do you expect to be offended?

I understand that you don't think Christians should be so offended, but understand not everybody has had the same experiences as you and have grown up differently. And notice that Christians aren't making this happen. FACTOR is the one making them do this since they don't want their name tied to something offensive to a group of people.

FACTOR isn't making them do anything yet, they voluntarily decided to return the money. And the only reason why FACTOR appears to care in the first place is because they got a complaint from James Moore, the Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages. He's the main reason this whole situation has gotten this far. I do not think everyone in this thread realizes that FACTOR is a private non-profit organization.
12:20 AM on 05/25/11
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Well more respect to the band. Although, if they were simply returning the money because they don't want to offend people, then they wouldn't be releasing the same exact thing under different funding. They are returning the money so that FACTOR isn't tied to it. It wouldn't be happening if FACTOR didn't want it to, because then there would be no reason for doing so. The band is simply being cooperative to what FACTOR wants, which again, is respectful.

Yes. But this only became a big issue when James Moore complained on behalf of the Canadian government. FACTOR has remained entirely neutral throughout this situation and has not once stated what they "want." If the band wanted to try and fight it, they could, FACTOR said they would be fair to both parties. But the band realized that if they lost, Moore could cut funding to FACTOR and hundreds of other Canadian musicians could be affected. They don't want FACTOR to be negatively affected and they don't want to censor themselves, so they returned the money. If anything, the band is just being cooperative with what the Canadian government "wants."
10:01 AM on 05/25/11
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You can find some be offensive without it being directly offensive to you (for example, a non-Christian finding this artwork offensive to Christians). That is what I meant.

I do agree with the part you I bolded though. However, like Debra already said, Factor isn't making them do this. And it is a Christian fellow who is blowing this out of proportion.

THANK YOU for understanding my point. All I saw in this thread was some people (not just the guy who I quoted, perhaps I shouldn't have quoted anyone) saying "FACTOR" when they really meant "Canadian government/James Moore." It's not my opinion, it's a fact. A fact the band even admitted in their statement that I edited into this thread:

"The debate about government funding contributing to potentially controversial art is neither new nor truly resolved; but when the offended public complains, the politicians habitually remind groups like FACTOR, the NEA and the Arts Council that they can pull the plug rather than encourage discourse or scholarly debate."

I think some people just like to argue. And I am not one of those people so I'm going to leave it at that.
11:53 AM on 05/25/11
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If that's the case than it makes sense that there are complaints, not over whether the content is offensive, but that there was a breach in contract.

Regardless, the band is handling this with so much class.

A breach in FACTOR's contract with the government. Maybe I'm being too liberal with this situation, but I'd like to see a day when FACTOR can help Canadian musicians do whatever they want, without having the government interfere and get offended. That is my point.

EDIT: And to make this even more clear for the final time. The band broke the rules that were put in place by the Canadian government. Not FACTOR.
12:16 PM on 05/25/11
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The main thing i find absurd is that they seem to be an organization founded on giving Canadian artists the chance to see their art come to fruition under the grounds that it is a loan to get their project off the ground, but then complain about said art that is created. Its extremely hypocritical to me. But with that being said, i also understand that it isnt Factor directly making the real mess about it all, its namely a few people who got their knickers in a bunch and dont realize how high up on their own horses they are.

I'm glad someone else understands! It's just that FACTOR is a private non-profit organization that relies on government funding to keep afloat. And in order to get that funding, they signed contracts saying they would "prohibit certain kinds of offensive material" so the government would be happy. I think the government should do away with that contract and let FACTOR give money to fund whatever a band wants to do.
12:48 PM on 05/25/11
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This.

Also, I think I'm trying to sympathize and see the bands point of view. Maybe the fact that they made the art what it was is just testament to how much religion means nothing to them. It's extremely hard to see someone's point of view if you don't share the same values. And having different beliefs than another person is not a wrong thing (unless it leads to extremely inhumane behaviour).



I see your point. What are the laws regarding hateful speech/libel here?

I have no idea what the laws are. I just know about FACTOR and my only issue is people in this thread that don't understand how they operate. The Canadian government is still the one who makes the final call and that's how this whole situation happened. And unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime soon, even though I think it should.
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