Sorry everyone...

Originally Posted by brook183

Or maybe people hate on her because she gets defended as "good" far too much.

No one is hailing this as AOTY or claiming it as a classic or potential classic. They are simply saying that they like it or that it isn't worthy of having a giant hate bandwagon following it. I myself only truly enjoy two or her songs and dislike or am indifferent towards all her others. With that being said, when people get so butthurt about music as utterly harmless as this, I find it not only A. annoying and quintessential special snowflake material but B. useless anger that can be channeled towards something that is far more despicable (or better yet instead of channeling hate towards something they can talk about something they enjoy for once). I get it. Just because she's self-aware doesn't negate the tackiness of her music however, the fact that so many people are riled up because members on this site enjoy harmlessly silly music such as this is kind of well... silly.

Originally Posted by brook183

You should channel this anger elsewhere, then.

Not angry. Never came off as angry. I also don't guilt trip people for listening to something.

Originally Posted by Your Milkshake

Youre right. Everyone should listen to exactly whatever kind of music they want to. Although, some people may be mad when they realize just how much money there is to make in the entertainment industry via tailored mass marketing and subculturing. If they percieve an artist to be insincere or untalented it may be frustrating to know that popular artists are rolling in the dough while more honest acts are barely scraping by. Think about how many songs in the last 1 to 2 years "reuse" elements from other songs. The point is maybe too much money is thrown at the next big pop stars and their labels, in a sense, enabling and resulting in a more homogenous and exclusive music industry. Thats not necessarily a good thing.

That's the unfortunate reality though, regardless of the medium. McDonalds will always make more money than the local burger shop. Michael Bay flicks will always make more money than a risk-taking indie film. And pop artists will always sell the most records, garner the larger fanbases and gain the most exposure. It's always been like this and probably always will. McDonalds is honestly a perfect comparison to pop music. It's cheap and potentially articficial but does it's job (and is infinitely better when you're drunk); however nobody wants to be that guy that only eats at McDonalds. Music is unfortunately a business like everything else, and artists like Ke$ha, for better or worse, are more marketable. The best thing you could do is concentrate on the artists you love, do everything you can to make sure they keep making music, and let the kids like whatevers on the radio; they'll broaded their horizons eventually *knocks on wood*

Originally Posted by Your Milkshake

I wholeheartedly agree with you although we must be careful to not speak in absolutes here. Are you familiar with popular music from the 70's? That era would like a word with your hypothesis if youre concerned with marketability. Actually every decades popular music up until after the 70's has been resoundingly acceptable to all demographics. Yes, the times are changing and music is becoming more streamlined.

For the record I personally am not the one calling Kesha untalented in here.

That is true. I remember reading a Cracked article a while back explaining how Frampton Comes Alive and its record breaking sales inavertingly resulting in the birth of the modern music industry; an industry where the amount of records sold becaming the top priority. Coincidentally, around the time this album came out, disco started its rise in 70s culture, arguably the first musical genre to have an active backlash.

Originally Posted by ChaseTx

Good analogies. I have no problem with pop music; in fact I'm a fan of a lot of stuff that gets constantly derided by rock elitists. I just REALLY can't stand Kesha. And don't get me started on Flo Rida.

To me, Flo Rida is like the Train of hip-hop. It is void of anything special or noteworthy but at the same time, it's so harmlessly bland that if you heard it on the radio, it wouldn't come off as something so bad you need to vent about it. Maybe you'd change the station out of boredom but it wouldn't inject a leech on your brain. I'd even say some of his tracks, mainly "Club Can't Handle Me", had some sweet hooks/production on it (probably because he had absolutely nothing to do with it). Because whenever he does a song by himself (Fucking. Fuuuuuucking Whistle) it's completely atrocious.

Originally Posted by j4callen

He didn't write the hook to whistle. It was a submission to Mike Caren, Pres of A&R for WMG who liked it, gave it to flo and brought in producers to build it up from scratch.

Song is a smash, btw.

Oh yeah I meant to say Whistle is the one of his hit songs where he doesn't have any big names alongside him. Club Can't Handle Me had Guetta, Wild Ones had Sia, Good Feeling used the same hook as Avicii's Levels etc.